This is a debate between my cousin and I. Get into it!
Jolette
August 14 at 9:10am
Roddie, I read your message on your wall. First, I want to tell you that I love you and I always will. Second, I want to tell you, and u may already know this...God hurts the most when His children are in sin. NO MATTER WHAT THE SIN MAY BE! He has made us to do His will His way! I know you know the word. Sodom and Gomorrah were distroyed. God was not pleased with their behavior. Sin is a dishonor to God, a spit in His face no matter what the sin it is. Sin leads to death. Please don't let the enemy continue to deceive you and keep you from the destiny God has ordained for your life. I encourage you that if you are going to be an advocate for anything or stand up for anything, why not stand up for what is right in the sight of the Lord? Do you desire His will for your life? I know you are grown and this is your life but think about how God feels if you can't think about anyone else. Think about what is happening to your spirit and soul. Where would you go if you died today(your spirit)? God made you for His purpose not the world's. We are to live in this world and not partake in the things of this world(that contradict His word). I can not call myself a child of God and not tell you what thus saith the Lord. The question is will you receive it or not. God bless you! I pray God's will for your life. I hope you seek Him diligently so that you are able to discern the right path to take! One last thing, when I was doing things the way of the world, I paid a heavy price for it! I thank God for His grace and mercy to still receive me back to Him. I have never looked back after being delivered from my sin!
Rodney Kendell Nickens Jr.
August 14 at 1:12pm
Hey Jo,
Thanks for your message. I appreciate you checking out my wall, links, and status updates. It is clear that we seem to disagree on interpretations of the word of God and that is totally fine. I definitely understand your opinion, although I have a different one. I will continue to advocate and stand up for what I believe God has called me to do. I believe in equality for everyone regardless of one's religion or interpretation of religion. The great thing about this country is that we are all free to believe what we want to believe, free to speak those beliefs, and free to pursue our own version of life, liberty, and happiness. People are dying everyday because other people are projecting their OPINIONS and BELIEFS onto them and I will not stand for that.
See below for a blog that I wrote on my website. I hope you understand my perspective and respect my beliefs as well.
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So with that said let me begin my commentary. For much of my life I was raised in a traditional Southern Christian family with core middle-class values that many Americans will probably relate to. We went to church every Sunday and Bible Study on Wednesdays. With regard to this issue, I was always taught in church and in my family that homosexuality was immoral. The children in my neighborhood and at school, the hip-hop music that we listened to, the media in general, and just about everyone else also reaffirmed this. I say all of this to preface my personal beliefs and to let it be known that I do understand where those beliefs are rooted and derived. However, through my personal experiences, as a student of History and through my studies I have come to understand that the issue of same-sex marriage is larger than religious beliefs, personal values, or moral teachings. It's quite simply an issue of equality.
Although as an African American I strongly respect what my elders did during the Civil Rights Movement as well as what my ancestors did throughout the history of this nation, and as such must acknowledge the distinct differences between that and the Gay Rights Movement, I must draw comparisons between them because the causes of each movement are rooted in the same spirit of hate. For much of the history of this country, gays and lesbians have been violently persecuted for simply being different and whether you believe this was a choice or not, violent persecution is wrong. Gay bashing, hate crimes, derogatory slurs, family nonacceptance, religious excommunication, denial of basic rights, and the list goes on and on are un-American. They are the true threats to this democracy and threats to our values. This to me spells out terrorism, discrimination, injustice, and inequality, all day and all night and if you do not see it then you need to put on some glasses or something!
Before we are gay or straight, whether you believe you chose to be either or not, we are human, we are Americans, and in the United States of America, the law of the land, which as I understand it to be, is our United States Constitution, interpreted by the Supreme Court. It is explicitly spelled out in clear English that we are all created equal with unalienable rights, to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Those who advocate same-sex marriage are not advocating that their actions be tolerated by the majority. Quite frankly if you do not agree with same-sex marriages then it would be in your best interest not to get one. This issue has nothing to do with whether or not folks approve of the "actions, lifestyles, etc." of the LGBT community. That is of the least of concern. This issue is about liberty and justice for all.
The laws of this country must apply to everyone equally, not just gays, lesbians, and trans-gendered people, but women, those with special needs, and other minorities and the same thing applies to the issue of marriage. Martin Luther King Jr. said it best when he said that "injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." People have to understand this if nothing else. Bottom line this issue is about fear and division. Many Americans are fearful of these times and they have every right to be. Our country is headed in the wrong direction in just about ever conceivable way possible.
Nevertheless, the answer is NOT to become further divided over issues of relatively little or no importance. Same-sex marriage is not the same as polygamy, or underage marriage, or any other ADULT relationship and does not seek to replace "traditional marriage." It is not about the best interests of children either! Many children are raised by single parents, AND GET THIS...gay parents too, and even no parents at all and turn out fine. Same-sex parents that can provide a loving, stable home for children should not and cannot be denied this BASIC RIGHT. This would do more harm to children than anything.
Lastly, same-sex marriage will not and cannot undermine anyone's values. Everyone can and will still have their beliefs, and regardless of what those are, it is not the place of the government or the law to take sides. The law must protect and recognize everyone in the same way. We have to come together and treat each other with compassion and respect regardless of our values. We cannot continue to demonize each other and expect that we can solve bigger issues like global poverty, world hunger, and social injustice.
Our society is changing and evolving and becoming more diverse like societies tend to do. We are a nation of many people and we are nation of ideals and values that cannot be sacrificed regardless of our religious foundation. It is time to progress and the Obama Administration will signal in a new era of tolerance and hope. It is imperative that we all get on board.
Please people educate yourselves on the issues. Research a variety of viewpoints and perspectives and try to learn the facts about this issue. It is so sad that this measure passed barely due to deception and shady marketing techniques. I truly hope that Californians and Americans in general wake up and truly began to arm themselves with knowledge and leverage their power. God bless America.
RKNJ
For the full blog and more please check out my blog at www.rodneynickens.blogspot.com
Jolette
August 14 at 10:10pm
Roddy, this is not an opinion. The enemy wants you to believe this. Where in GOD's word does HE tell you it is ok for same sex marriages? Either you believe the word of GOD to be true and not just a belief/opinion or you don't. GOD loves everyone. HE does not want us mistreating each other, hating each other or sinning. Men shouldn't marry men. Women shouldn't marry women. Men and women should not have sex unless they are married. Married people should not commit adultry. Thou shall not kill or steal or coveted. The list goes on. None of these sins are ordained of GOD. Wrong is wrong and right is right. Don't get it twisted. Equality is a privilege that GOD permits, just like life is, if HE permits. If a group of people are going to suffer then they are at the mercy and hand of GOD. They need HIM to deliver them. Remember the Israelites? They were delivered out of Egypt by GOD's mercy (they gained rights). They forgot about how GOD delivered them and suffered even more in the wilderness (they lost rights). People's hearts must turn to GOD. People want equality for their views they have(in general), well, the word of GOD says, "SEEK YE FIRST THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN and IT'S RIGHTEOUSNESS and ALL THESE OTHER THINGS(like equality) WILL BE ADDED UNTO YOU". Rod you are well educated in what you believe; so was Paul in persecuting the Christians. Education nor logic can explain how GOD or HIS miracles work. Paul believed that what he was doing what was right as well(read about Paul if you haven't already). His education had nothing to do with him following the word of GOD( his education was used to fulfill his purpose later on). When he turned his heart to GOD, those which he used to support and advocate for, persecuted him. When we as people are mistreated but our lives are in line with the word of GOD, HE has our back and HIS word says that HE will make our ememies at peace with us. Education is wonderful and is a privilege but nothing going on now or in history is larger than GOD. HE made this earth did HE not? HE also made the people. Satan creates walls to keep us from seeing the truth. Rod have you lost your fear in GOD? I am not saying that you should not stand for people's rights. But these rights you are standing up for, do they offend GOD?? Only GOD"S HOLY SPIRIT can help you see and descern what kind of things you should support. GOD has created this fight(advocacy) in you to win souls for HIM. The enemy is trying to use what GOD created in you( to help support/advocate people getting saved and delivered from their afflictions), to help people stay in sin. What does the word of GOD mean to you if you are ok with and support the things that contradict HIS word. Rod, this not a belief or an opinion. I've lived it and know HIS word to be true for myself. Yes, this is America, a place of free speech and to do what you please. But are you a follower of CHRIST or just an American? What does GOD instruct us Americans and any other nationalities to do if we say we love Him and desire HIS will?? HIS word says,"Llive in this world but be ye not of it". You are definitely consumed by this. Does the scripture in Romans(1:24-32) that Paul talked about mean anything to you? Is it just an opinion/belief that JESUS CHRIST is GOD's son, that HE walked this earth, and died for our sins? Or is it a fact? Everything that has happened in history was permitted by the LORD for HIS glory to be shown through these situations. HE does not want us to forget that HE is still GOD. HE wants our hearts and the things we stand for to reflect HIM and HIS holiness. Do you believe that it is holy for people to have same sex marriages? This is not about what is taught through man or history. This is about what GOD teaches and requires of us. Are you concerned about gays being saved, holy and acceptable to the LORD? If you say you are doing what GOD has called you to do, then that doesn't come without bringing souls to HIM, telling of HIS goodness, how much HE loves them, and desires them to be holy in HIS site. Roddy, I know for a fact that GOD did not tell you to support same sex marriage. This is something the enemy wants you to believe is right and tag equality on the end of it. In GOD's eyes, there is no equality for sin. The only EQUALlity sinners get is GOD's judgement. Sinners will EQUALly receive the same sentence as lucifer did. Sin EQUALs death. If GOD was ok with it, then HIS word wouldn't teach against it. Anyone that is in sin and is ok with it will suffer because GOD wants their hearts to desire Him more than the sin or life itself (any person or thing). Gays are so consumed with their rights and being mistreated that they have forgotten about their CREATOR. GOD didn't create man or woman to defile their bodies in anyway and think that they won't suffer for it. If you love the LORD thy GOD with all your heart, then you will keep HIS commandments. If you find it evil to do this, then you choose this day whom you serve. GOD is not in this. HE is holy. HE is righteous. HE still loves you Roddy and gays too. HE does not hate anyone. I've heard and seen the mean things going on towards gays. This kind of behavior does not reflect the love GOD has for people. It's not right. People that hate need the LORD to give them love(It was HIS last commandment) for everyone no matter what the person is doing. GOD is a GOD of love and is also a GOD of wrath. This nation(full of people that are doing and saying what they want) is under GOD's mercy right now, which will soon come to an end. Judgement is coming for everyone, even the people that bash others! HE will not continue to stand for anyone(no matter what gender, color, creed) disrespecting HIS word. Nor is HE going to stand for those who say they love HIM but their life does not reflect it. Roddy we don't always have the right examples set for us growing up. But once we are grown it is up to us to get to know GOD, understand His word, and live HIS word for ourselves. Be blessed!
Rodney Kendell Nickens Jr.
August 15 at 5:23pm
Jolette,
I love you and I appreciate your concern. Thank you and God Bless you.
RKNJ
Jolette
August 16 at 3:20pm
You too Roddy!
Rodney Kendell Nickens Jr.
August 18 at 2:47am
http://www.gaybygod.net/index.php?option=com_community&view=videos&task=video&userid=64&videoid=9&Itemid=62Pastor Joseph Tolton Responds to Gay Exorcism Video
Source: www.gaybygod.net
Jolette
August 18 at 12:26pm
Rod, I looked at both videos and was saddened by both.
GOD gives HIS disciples authority to "cast out" demons but sometimes our methods are a little unorthodoxed. We all may have phobias of something but GOD wants us to fear only HIM. No one is gay by GOD. It is just lust. GOD made us in HIS image but the lust of our hearts get us in trouble! Romans talks about lustful hearts and how God turns them over to their lusts, which ends in a reprobate mind. The word speaks about being gay( homosexual, lesbian, bisexual, or a transgendered) and same sex marriages. God does not hate you or anyone else! Anyone that tells you that, it is a lie from the devil!
Cast out demons(Matt. 10:1)
Jesus casts out demons( Luke 8:26-39)
Fear GOD( Matt.10:28, Prov.2:5; 9:10)
Made in GOD's image(Gen. 1:27)
Wicked hearts(Jer. 17:9)
Consequences from Lust in the heart(Rom. 1:18-32)
Homosexuality(Lev.18:22, Deu. 23:17-18, 1 Cor. 6:9-10, 1 Tim.1:8-10, Rom 1:27)
Marriage(Gen 2:24, Prov.18:22;19:14; Matt. 19:4-6)
God loves us(1 John 3:15,17,18; John 3:16; )
Love one another(Matt 22 :37)
Rodney Kendell Nickens Jr.
August 18 at 12:29pm
Thank you Jo for the scriptures and we can definitely agree on that. God does NOT hate anyone. What did you think of the website?
Jolette
August 18 at 1:10pm
God didn't make you or anyone else gay. We choose the paths we take. Just as we choose to: be wrong or right , to hate or to love, to sin or be righteous, to steal or not, to kill or let live, to serve satan or to serve GOD, to stand or sit, to be sad or to happy , to marry or to divorce, to have children or not, to overeat or eat in moderation, to speed or drive the speed limit, being quick to anger or to be humble , to apologize for hurting someone feelings or not, to hold grudges or to forgive, to dwell on the past/a certain subject or to just let it go, to choose our own way or God's way.
Rodney Kendell Nickens Jr.
August 18 at 1:12pm
Well if that's the case, then God didn't make you or anyone else straight either? When did you choose to be straight?
Rodney Kendell Nickens Jr.
August 18 at 1:19pm
Sweety why would someone choose to be a persecuted minority who many believe are damned to eternal hell? Does that make sense? Like seriously think about that. Being gay is no more a choice than being black or having brown eyes. We all have to deal with the cards we are dealt.
Jolette
August 18 at 2:24pm
God made us to follow HIS word. I choose to follow HIS word. So, yes I choice to be straight. I haven't choosen to be anything but straight. It is not a sin to be straight. It is a sin to go against God's word. I have choosen sin before. Ok, here's the thing. The enemy can make anyone think that what they are doing is right and that they won't go to hell. Only God"s word can set you free. If you have no conviction then you won't think you are wrong. Our skin color and the way our bodies are made, that is different. That is physical. What we do with our bodies and to our skin is our choice. Don't blame God for that.
Jolette
August 18 at 2:37pm
Rod, where in God's word does HE condone men with men and women with women? Or sin at that? Confusion is of the enemy.(1 Cor. 14:33) GOD gives us a peace that surpasses all understanding.(Phil. 4:7)
Rodney Kendell Nickens Jr.
August 18 at 3:04pm
Honey u have been listening 2 way 2 much Pat Robertson! No one lives their lives exactly according 2 any religious or religious doctrine. God loves us the way we are and understands that we fall short and make mistakes. I truly believe His love is unconditional. I don't spend my life stressing about what other ppl think or try 2 tell me how I should live. I love my life for my own happiness and 2 bring honor 2 those I love and 2 glorify God n the best way I can.
Jolette
August 19 at 9:11am
Rod, the last thing I want to do is tell you how to live your life. GOD knows that no one is perfect nor should we confess to be. I need the LORD in my life I am no one without HIM.(PS. 27:7-8) However, HE does expect us to seek HIM daily(pray), read HIS word and follow it.(Be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only...James 1:22) We all need a closer walk with the LORD. We can only achieve it by making special time for GOD. This involves shutting the world out for an amount of time. If we sin, we should be quick to repent and turn away from it. We aren't supposed stay in it once we've repented. We are not going to do everything right. But, GOD honors the heart that seeks HIS glory and righteousness over what the world deems as right.(There is a way which seemeth right unto a man.... Prov. 14:12) Rod, I will continue to pray for you and I wish God's best for you. Do not think that because we've had this conversation that I love you any less or would disown you. Love covers a multitude of sin.(1 Peter 4:8) Life is hard and no, it is not easy following GOD's word but not impossible. For HIS word says that ,"We can you all things through CHRIST that strenghtens us!" .(Philippians 4:13) I also pray for your heart. Any hurts or disappointments you 've gone through that have never been healed. Any damage that has come to your spirit, mind, soul and body, I speak healing IN THE NAME of JESUS. Forgive anyone that has hurt you or disappointed you. Bless those that dispitefully use you.(Matt. 4:44; Rom. 12:14) In JESUS name, Amen. You are welcome to talk to me anytime. If you would like to have a online bible study, I am open to that as well. Be Blessed and be safe!
Rodney Kendell Nickens Jr.
August 19 at 1:09pm
Did u get my email?
Jolette
August 19 at 1:42pm
Which one? The one with the 2 papers you wrote? I have it.
Jolette
August 19 at 7:00pm
Rod, would you please send your email again?
Rodney Kendell Nickens Jr.
August 19 at 11:50pm
Yeah sure!
Rodney Kendell Nickens Jr.
Today at 12:50am
Jolette, As you can probably tell, I am conducting research on the issue of same-sex marriage and it has come to my attention that not one time does Jesus Christ, himself mention sexuality or homosexuality for that matter.
Moreover, the Bible teaches that we are all children of God and that despite our differences we are all made to drink of one spirit (1 Corinthians 12:13) and if one member suffers, all members suffer with it; and if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it (1 Corinthians 12:26).
There are various references to being gay in the Bible as you noted but many do not apply to the way we live today. Much of the Old Testament for instance is outdated as it was used to justify slavery and the disenfranchisement of women.
We must look at the Bible as a body of work in its totality. Its central message being love and inclusion, especially the love of God and love towards each other. The core of this message being to treat each other as we would want to be treated.
Just as God's love is all-encompassing we must strive to show that same love to gays and lesbians. Since straight couples have the freedom to marry each other, so must gay couples. Just because I don't approve of something, it doesn't give me the right to judge someone else because as you know it is God's place to render judgment.
Many gay couples live together around the country. There are gay couples that are loving, caring, and committed to each other and their families despite much discrimination and terrorism. As I'm sure you will agree, discrimination in any form is wrong. Our ancestors fought so hard against it. We must all come together to fight discrimination whenever ever it rises and we must all find it in our heart to support every couple that chooses to build a life together and start a family through the institution of civil marriage.
Love Always,
RKNJ
Please visit www.freedomtomarry.org for more information.
Freedom To Marry
Source: www.freedomtomarry.org
Freedom to Marry is the gay and non-gay partnership working to win marriage equality nationwide. We promote the national conversation about why marriage equality matters while bringing together partner organizations into a larger whole, a shared civil rights campaign.
Jolette
August 20, 2009 at 5:57pm
Rod, GOD(Hey that rhymes!) has placed in you excellence. You are an excellent writer and researcher! You will make a great Lawyer one day...a Lawyer of the gospel of the word of GOD( If you receive it). I do not think that you are a bad person because you believe what you believe. I do however, question that if you love the LORD thy GOD, then why don't you believe HIS word. The people who recorded the scriptures in the bible were annointed and appointed to do so. They recorded the good and bad things the people did; that we might learn from their mistakes. Either you believe GOD's word to be the truth in its entirety or you believe it to be merely a body of work with some truth .
There are many words we use now that were not used in the bible. However, there are terms in the bible for them. Homosexuals/gays were called sodomites in the bible. Just because the term gay/homosexual was not used in the word, does mean that the act itself is not a sin. Here are a few others: satanist are same as the children of belial in the bible; demons are the same as devils; gangsters/bandits are the same as thiefs; alcohol/liquor is the same as fermented wine/strong drink. All of these are contradictions to GOD. Everything we are faced with now may not be mentioned in there but one thing that holds true is that we are to "present our bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to HIM".... (Romans 12:1-2).
This nation as a whole and the world have become corrupt. Posioned by man's doctrine. GOD's word says, "Many are called but few are chosen"(Matt. 22:14). The people that are willing to stand up for God's word are few. The people that know HIS word and continue to compromise it, will eventually give up their rights to go to heaven. Blessed is the nation whose GOD is the LORD... Ps. 33:12; Ps. 37:9. There is no one in this world that is bigger than GOD. HE is sovereign! It doesn't matter how accomplished, famous, or rich we are. We all have many opinions but the only opinion that is valid, is GOD's!
People of the OT did not have JESUS, and some where killed on the spot for their sins! They had to sacrifice animals to be forgiven! In the NT, JESUS had one purpose and that was to die for our sins! Praise GOD HE did or no one on this earth would exist! JESUS also left HIS followers( of HIS time and of our time) the authority through HIS HOLY SPIRIT to righty divide the word of GOD(II Tim. 2:15)! If GOD was displeased with the behavior(sin) in the OT and NT; HE is certainly displeased with it now!
"And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,"Lev. 20:1. Every scripture of this chapter that follows this line was spoken from God through Moses. "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them( Lev. 20:13). The OT is old but not to be discredited. GOD's word does not change. "We The People..." are the ones who change. GOD has permitted things to happen back then as HE does now. Nothing is new under the sun. We don't live life quite like people did then but sin hasn't gone anywhere. Sin is still sin and death is still the end result for those who won't change their ways.
Rod, all of GOD's word has to take residence in your heart for you to receive HIS truth. Not just what you deem valuable.To sum it up, the bible is about GOD and HIS righteousness. We have to get to know HIM before we decide to flive our lives the way we please and expect HIM to be OK with it! We can't get to HIM unless we first accept JESUS as HIS son! As we get to know HIM better, then we understand HIS word in its entirety. Do you desire the love of a man and his ways(doctrine) more than the love of GOD and HIS ways? If you love GOD(with all your heart), then you desire HIS love and HIS ways over man's(or what you want too). In seeking HIS love you will find the truth!
Rodney Kendell Nickens Jr.
August 21, 2009 at 10:57am
Jolette, I would encourage you to keep learning about your faith: If you want some resources on faith and homosexuality, I suggest that you visit Soulforce (www.soulfource.org), or HRC’s “Religious Life” web area (www.hrc.org). In addition, you might want to read Bishop John Shelby Spong’s Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism: A Bishop Rethinks the Meaning of Scripture, or Dr. Daniel Helminiac’s What the Bible Says and Doesn’t Say About Homosexuality. It might help you to know that several faith traditions have embraced marriage for same-sex couples, and see nothing inconsistent between the dictates of their religion and the blessing of same-sex marriages.
These include: the United Church of Christ; American Baptist Churches; the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ); Quakers; Central Conference of American Rabbis (Reform Judaism); Ecumencial Catholic Church; Alliance for Jewish Renewal; The Reconstructionist Rabbinical Association (Reconstructionist
Judaism); Unitarian Universalist Association; Universal Fellowship of the Metropolitan Community Churches (MCC); Episcopal Church; Presbyterian Church (USA). Get informed about the distinction between civil marriage and religious marriage: Another point to consider is that many people of faith support civil marriage for same-sex couples even if their faith community reserves the sacrament of marriage for heterosexual couples. Indeed, many clergy have signed the Marriage Resolution, calling for civil marriage equality for same-sex couples.
RKNJ